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king_buzzo 12.03.2006 08:23 AM

weetos cereal free hologram card

davenotdead 12.03.2006 08:47 AM

going off the top of my head...i will see my gear again at christmas and im bringing it with me this time, i dont care what the airline people say...

boss dd-20
boss dd-3
boss ps-5
eh pulsar
boss rv-5
ibanez phaser (ph-7 i think, it has a purple label)
crybaby wah
korg kaoss pad KP-2
...i think thats it...i currently have no distortion pedal...used to have a ds-1, but sold it to my brother...

king_buzzo 12.03.2006 08:52 AM

i took my wah once on a plane, they though it was a bomb

davenotdead 12.03.2006 09:00 AM

yeah, im not sure how im going to do this yet, but i have to...ill die if i have to go any longer without my effects....buzzo, have you ever shipped any pedals through the mail?

...on a side note, i just cut my hair, so i no longer look a stoner/potential bomb threat...

king_buzzo 12.03.2006 04:16 PM

fuzz faces look like bombs.

why the hell dont they have the arbeiter sign on the pedal? it doesnt look like a face without it

jon boy 12.03.2006 04:17 PM

some people say i have too much delay but i say i have just the right amount.

king_buzzo 12.03.2006 04:24 PM

i want delay. soon after i buy my jazzmaster/mod it and get the epi valve jr amp. then i'll get a delay then

king_buzzo 12.03.2006 04:43 PM

dude this

 


sounds amazingly well, listen to the sound clips on musicians friend

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 12.03.2006 05:13 PM

As cheap as they look, the ibanez tone lok pedals are supposed to be really good.

Danny Himself 12.03.2006 05:31 PM

How are you going to 'mod' your jazzmaster, buzzo? They're fine as they come, I think..

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 12.03.2006 05:49 PM

I'd assume he'd put a mustang bridge on it so that the strings don't pop out.

Glice 12.03.2006 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
Anyway, in recent news, I have stopped using my effects pedals. I haven't even missed them. I dug out my phase shifter (boss) the other day and had some spacey shit going on, but I can't find practical use for effects besides trying my hand at some SYR shit. Bleh? All I really need is a wah/vol now and I'm set. Maybe some fuzz. And one of those leslie emulators. Hmm.


Good for you. I heartily recommend that more people learn to play before they get effects. Guitar sound fetishes should remain the domain of psychedelic bands.

Danny Himself 12.03.2006 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
I'd assume he'd put a mustang bridge on it so that the strings don't pop out.


I never got around to that.

Oh, and thanks, Glice.

heavium 12.03.2006 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king_buzzo
dude this

 


sounds amazingly well, listen to the sound clips on musicians friend



one of the guitarplayers from the band i play bass in uses that ibanez fuzz from time to time, i always thought they were crap but they sound good for being such cheap ass pedals, same goes for some dano stuff, i'm kind of a minimalist when it comes to guitar fx, with very few pedals you can actually do quite a lot i think.

guitarpro 12.04.2006 03:35 AM

Cool stuff guys and fuck CHOUT ya got enough effects goin there?

jon boy 12.04.2006 03:58 AM

to be honest i prefer volume to effects.

next step 12.04.2006 04:32 AM

I'm stabilizing on this board.
In order they are: fooger ring mod - ibanez eq - bluebox - electra flanger - ibanez analog delay - DIY tube screamer - turborat - pds1000 - pds1002 digital delay.



 

davenotdead 12.04.2006 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon boy
some people say i have too much delay but i say i have just the right amount.



there is no such thing as too much delay...One day I hope to own 67 boss dd-20s, and I firmly believe time-travel is a possibilty....

next step- gorgeous.

_slavo_ 12.04.2006 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by next step
I'm stabilizing on this board.
In order they are: fooger ring mod - ibanez eq - bluebox - electra flanger - ibanez analog delay - DIY tube screamer - turborat - pds1000 - pds1002 digital delay.





 


wow, holy crap, I wish this room was mine.
so, what exactly does the blue box do? seems like many people use it around here.

Glice 12.04.2006 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davenotdead
there is no such thing as too much delay...One day I hope to own 67 boss dd-20s, and I firmly believe time-travel is a possibilty....

next step- gorgeous.


You, sir, are the Edge. I'll leave your morals to do the appropriate thing, which is kill yourself and that cunt of a singer simultaneously.

DELAY IS WRONG, YOU THINK YOU SOUND LIKE GODSPEED, YOU ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE U2. This is a message to every band ever.

davenotdead 12.04.2006 06:55 AM

hahaha...i dont listen to u2 and i dont even know how to play guitar...i just make up chords that look cool and take it from there....i make noises, not music...

next step 12.04.2006 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
wow, holy crap, I wish this room was mine.
so, what exactly does the blue box do? seems like many people use it around here.


well It's quite all I have. I bought all that in circa 7 years.

The bluebox is a NASTY but really nasty octav/distortion! It makes a great groovy noise cause it plays 2octaves down and I think it mixes something else randomly.

king_buzzo 12.04.2006 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
How are you going to 'mod' your jazzmaster, buzzo? They're fine as they come, I think..


im just gonna put a mustang bridge and us pickups. im buying the cij version and ive heard that they dont sound like real jazzmasters

Pacafeliz 12.04.2006 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by next step
well It's quite all I have. I bought all that in circa 7 years.

The bluebox is a NASTY but really nasty octav/distortion! It makes a great groovy noise cause it plays 2octaves down and I think it mixes something else randomly.


:Dhahaha that's about the most accurate description i've ever read on it!
it's a fun pedal, but not REALLY useful for "music", it's more for a experimental noise thing... but hey, that's what we're in here, right? (thurston uses one, too!)

Pat.

heavium 12.04.2006 02:00 PM

it's good for weird ass solos
and who doesn't love those ? ;-)

Pacafeliz 12.04.2006 02:11 PM

good point...
so lemme ask you guys, what's the/your weirdest pedal?

mine would have to me my Coron Space Machine. man the guitar thru it sounds like a tape recorder with the tape messed up and about to fuck the machine up. or low on batteries... really weird. but cool. and rare!

Pat.

next step 12.04.2006 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heavium
it's good for weird ass solos
and who doesn't love those ? ;-)


yes, with the blend pot completely open it's close to a fuzz, a nasty fuzz and could be used for solo too but I usually set the blender at 7 am :) and I let it circle into a slow flanger or phasor. I use delays then cause it has a really dry sound.

king_buzzo 12.04.2006 02:18 PM

blue box is a legend. with wah its fecking crazy and retarded. i love it

next step 12.04.2006 02:26 PM

I have a short piece (2 min I think) not mixed and without sense where I used the bluebox with the ring modulator and some analog delay......here: http://www.sonicurbs.com/mp3/FOTS-ad80meetmrbluebox.mp3

We made this funny improvisation around an year ago when we had just a bad microphone opened in the room.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 12.04.2006 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
You, sir, are the Edge. I'll leave your morals to do the appropriate thing, which is kill yourself and that cunt of a singer simultaneously.

DELAY IS WRONG, YOU THINK YOU SOUND LIKE GODSPEED, YOU ACTUALLY SOUND LIKE U2. This is a message to every band ever.


Delay is actually a nice effect because it is triggered by your playing. I prefer a nice short analog delay to vibe, chorus, etc, because it warms up the guitar sound and is much more musical to my ears.

The problem with a lot of post-rock bands is that they are "post-rock" and there is no satisfying rock out moment like in an SY song, or a Pavement song. That is what I personally live for.

Guitar effects are a matter of balance. Yeah delay sounds cool, and so do modulation effects- but you can't let them get in your way of rocking the fuck out. Not that they can't help you-my Little Big Muff plus my playing plus my Arion SAD-3(which does a very short delay, 200 ms I believe) sounds huge and really roars, and inspires me to rock out more.

Although you raise a point. I keep looking at the Boss DD-20 and thinking- "I could get rid of my PB+J, it would be great, I could do sound on sound, modulated delay, warp, and twist, simulated tape and analog, tap tempo, a bunch of different stuff." But I only use long delay on my PB+J for one song, I usually use it's short delay setting when I can't quite get enough from the SAD-3. And the PB+J being digital doesn't have those cool overtones that analog seems to have. So why would I really need to have a big expensive cool digital delay when I probably wouldn't use it to the max of its capabilities?" Although I'd probably use them more than I think.

Danny Himself 12.04.2006 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king_buzzo
im just gonna put a mustang bridge and us pickups. im buying the cij version and ive heard that they dont sound like real jazzmasters


Meh. I have a CIJ with a jazzmaster bridge, and there's no problems. I wonder..

k-krack 12.04.2006 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
Delay is actually a nice effect because it is triggered by your playing. I prefer a nice short analog delay to vibe, chorus, etc, because it warms up the guitar sound and is much more musical to my ears.

The problem with a lot of post-rock bands is that they are "post-rock" and there is no satisfying rock out moment like in an SY song, or a Pavement song. That is what I personally live for.

Guitar effects are a matter of balance. Yeah delay sounds cool, and so do modulation effects- but you can't let them get in your way of rocking the fuck out.


What?! You ever listened to (most "post-rock") any Godspeed?! Kicks out the sweet "rock-out" moments a whole bunch! You can't honestly tell me that Rockets Fall on Rocket Falls doesn't make you wanna fuckin' bang yr head, in a non-metal sense. In many ways, I'd say "post-rock" has more rock-out power than most rock these days.

Savage Clone 12.04.2006 04:09 PM

Right now:

Mesa V-Twin 3-channel tube preamp (stomp/floor model)
Morley Pik Percussion
Morley power wah
Echolette tube tape echo
Boomerang

That's about it.
I have a ZVEX Fuzz Factory and it's super cool and I used it for years, but I never use it anymore and I think I'm going to unload it soon.


As for Godspeed:
Yeah, yeah. Sidelong crescendo.
I get it.

Glice 12.04.2006 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
As for Godspeed:
Yeah, yeah. Sidelong crescendo.
I get it.


Wow man. I, like, never got it before. Thanks to you I no longer think Godspeed are a load of sub-YES, pseudo-prog, unmitigated shite. Thanks man!

Savage Clone 12.04.2006 04:33 PM

The thing I thought was funny when I went to see GYBE was the fact that I was pretty sure that neither they nor their crowd would admit to being fans of prog-rock, but how obviously prog they are.

I'm sorry, but if you have 20-minute compositions and a 9-piece group that includes a string section, you are prog rock. The fact that you don't have widdly guitar solos doesn't mean you're not prog. It just means you are uptight enough to deny the progressive guitarist their right to have a bombastically masturbatory good time, which is the tradeoff for the social stigma of playing prog rock in the first place. Prog rock!

Glice 12.04.2006 04:39 PM

It's not the proggishness that annoys me about them, it's the fact that they're so fucking austere. Prog bands at least had the decency to be utterly ridiculous.

Austere belongs to the classical canon: discuss.

Pacafeliz 12.04.2006 04:43 PM

well i use as much pedals as possible to diguise my mediocre sloppy bad playing... ;)

Pat.

Savage Clone 12.04.2006 04:44 PM

Exactly!
That's what I was trying to say, really.
Prog should be pompous and bombastic, and it should be made by people with big egos that are obviously channelled through their instruments. It is not the medium for restraint.

Glice 12.04.2006 05:01 PM

 
I AM A WIZARD!

 


I work in a petrol station.

heavium 12.04.2006 05:03 PM

meh, prog rock & post rock are two diff worlds, there's similarities for sure, genres always blend a little bit,
i like post rock, in fact the band i currently play bass in could be called post rock, i'd be bored in a band wherein i'd feel like i can't rock out but i like technical challenges too, as long as it's not too arty farty.
prog rock... every genre has got its more interesting bands and less interesting bands i guess... some guitar virtuosos in some of those bands i find to be very irritating because they seem to care more about showing off than actually expressing some emotion... blahblah =P


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