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Daddylikes 07.10.2006 09:42 PM

I think it's evil Cantankerous that men on this Sonic Youth Gossip message board would proposition you sexually.

It makes me ashamed to be male.

Cantankerous 07.10.2006 09:42 PM

Stop it! You're hurting me!

Daddylikes 07.10.2006 09:44 PM

What do you mean?

:D

TheMadcapLaughs 07.10.2006 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by khchris(original)
Kinda shocked that people picked Beefheart. Do people know that it was THE MAGIC BAND and not him that made the music? Maybe people don't really know as much about Capt. Beefheart as they think they do? I dunno.

Zappa all the way. Nobody can hold a candle to Zappa (solo or with MOI).


I dont know what you heard, but captain beefheart wrote every fucking music part (drums, guitar, bass, etc) on Trout Mask Replica and after. He did it on an old piano, and then Drumbo (john french) would write the musical notation out for the band and teach it to them. So no he didn't play any of the main instruments, but its all his fucking vision.

And who cares that beefheart would not be possilbe without frank zappa, that doesn't make zappa better. Although Zappa is cool, its gotta be Beefheart. Hes the greater artist.

Cantankerous 07.11.2006 01:15 AM

The Magic Band was great. I'm sure you have all heard me say why.
Ry Cooder.

Signpost 07.11.2006 03:50 AM

Beefheart for me.

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
I dont know what you heard, but captain beefheart wrote every fucking music part (drums, guitar, bass, etc) on Trout Mask Replica and after. He did it on an old piano, and then Drumbo (john french) would write the musical notation out for the band and teach it to them. So no he didn't play any of the main instruments, but its all his fucking vision.

And who cares that beefheart would not be possilbe without frank zappa, that doesn't make zappa better. Although Zappa is cool, its gotta be Beefheart. Hes the greater artist.




Um...nope. beefheart may have arranged the music, but no, he did not write every piece of music. not even the capt. would have the nerve to say that. Or have you heard of the magic band?

BTW, the magic band carried on without the captain. what do you have to say about that?


BTW, Frank Zappa produced trout mask replica.

whorefrost 07.11.2006 08:16 AM

yeah, i also read that captain beefheart fucking taught the magic band how to play each part for trout mask replica. he wrote all the music apparently. zappa isn't bad, exactly... i'm listening to Eureka by Jim O'Rourke and some of it reminds me of Zappa in a way... kind of humourous...

porkmarras 07.11.2006 08:17 AM

And you are certainly someone humorous yourself eh?

whorefrost 07.11.2006 08:20 AM

sigh

porkmarras 07.11.2006 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost
sigh

:rolleyes:

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whorefrost
yeah, i also read that captain beefheart fucking taught the magic band how to play each part for trout mask replica. he wrote all the music apparently. zappa isn't bad, exactly... i'm listening to Eureka by Jim O'Rourke and some of it reminds me of Zappa in a way... kind of humourous...



that's like saying he taught "john lee hooker and howlin' wolf" how to play.

you'd have to be an idiot to think captain beefheart "taught the players how to play".

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:29 AM

further evidence of Zappa's influence on TROUT MASK REPLICA:

"Zappa explained the unusual circumstances of the recording in 1993: 'I was in the studio mixing some other tapes, and the band that's actually playing on "The Blimp" is actually The Mothers Of Invention. The vocal on "The Blimp" was recorded by telephone. He had just written these lyrics, and he had one of the guys in the band recite it to me over the phone. I taped it in the studio, and recorded it onto the piece of tape that I had up at the time, which was my track. The piece is called "Charles Ives." We used to play it on the '68-'9 tour.'"


sounds like a classic ZAPPA TRACK if you ask me.

Next.

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:32 AM

um, are you sure Captain Beefheart wrote ALL THE MUSIC???

""China Pig" is an example of Van Vliet at his most spontaneous. Doug Moon visited the house and after he and Van Vliet had played an impromptu version of "Candyman" by Mississippi John Hurt, Van Vliet asked him to 'play one of those 'chunga, chunga, chunga'...' Moon is captured on cassette playing a neat blues figure to Van Vliet's improvised tale of penury with the subject of the story agonizing about whether or not to break open his piggy bank, howling 'I don't wanna kill my china pig.' He describes this glazed pottery beast with decorative painted flowers, and a curly tail, and recounts how a little girl 'used t' put her fingers in its snout.' A decade later, Van Vliet gave another shading on the song, saying: 'It's about how fragile a human being is. I mean the body as opposed to all the forces.' Moon received no credit for the music."

porkmarras 07.11.2006 08:32 AM

He who shouts the loudest has never been heard.Sorry.

whorefrost 07.11.2006 08:33 AM

ok, he didn't write two of the songs... happy?

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:41 AM

Captain Beefheart was basically the vocalist/lyricist/poet arranging his singing & lyrics WITH the music of the magic band that sometimes was improved/sometimes not.

Also, without the help of Zappa's production work, TROUT MASK REPLICA wouldn't be the work of art as it is considered today.





I think we all know Zappa still is king.




Next time boys, do your homework before making such silly accusations like, "Captain Beefheart wrote all the music" and "blah blah blah".

Hey, we're all wrong sometimes.

whorefrost 07.11.2006 08:48 AM

you're wrong most of the time

whorefrost 07.11.2006 08:50 AM

does khchris remind anyone else of eric cartman? try reading his posts in cartman's voice...

khchris(original) 07.11.2006 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by whorefrost
you're wrong most of the time



Kids.



Don't you love followers who pretend to know shit about zappa and beefheart but don't?(LOL!)


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