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jennthebenn 04.24.2009 05:56 PM

"We are Those" over "Charmed Life" is the only pick I give a real "ehh!"
Also, "Fear of a Black Planet" being superior to "Nation of Millions" is the
best-kept secret in music. Ssh.

max 04.24.2009 06:39 PM

I doubt he wouldn't put Alice Cooper in there too... no?

Death & the Maiden 04.24.2009 10:54 PM

At least The Saints are at #19.

Dead-Air 04.24.2009 11:04 PM

A lot of good stuff, and a few I don't like particularly. I'm sure that would be the case with the top 50 favorites of any artist I admire. I can't imagine why of all the R.E.M. records he'd pick Green instead of Murmur or Chronic Town for instance, but on the other hand, he did go along with Nevermind's undeniably commercial approach.

demonrail666 04.24.2009 11:12 PM

I wouldn't be all that inspired to listen to music made by someone who chose those as their favourite albums.

[Sandbag] 04.25.2009 08:22 AM

good list. any of those records would beat 'raw power' off the top 1 though.
♥ the vaselines

Kyohan 04.25.2009 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Negative points for "Meet the Beatles" instead of "With the Beatles"


More negative points for calling the "Young God" E.P. "Raping a Slave"...and for not picking "Children of God" instead. Pretty nice list overall though.

gmku 04.25.2009 09:28 AM

Most disappointing selections: Combat Rock and Rocks. Seriously, Kurt.

fugazifan 04.25.2009 10:13 AM

and no minutemen

SuperCreep 04.25.2009 12:21 PM

where's MPP?

Count Mecha 04.25.2009 12:30 PM

Interesting. I would have expected at least one Meat Puppets record, funny to see none of them. I figured POD would've been higher than Surfer Rosa though, He said something once about how he wished Kim wrote more songs for the Pixies. That Aerosmith record looks pretty out of place.

gualbert 04.25.2009 12:41 PM

^^I agree for Meat Puppets.
Also there's no Germs or Exploited.

joe11121 04.25.2009 01:47 PM

He had a pretty good taste in music.

NWRA 04.25.2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I can't imagine him listening to Public Enemy. I know that he probably did, but can you really picture it? It's difficult.


True but it's difficult to imagine anyone on this board who I've seen a picture of, in the Post A Picture Of Yourself thread, listening to Public Enemy too (yet I'm sure they do): except in an embarrassing, Leslie Nielsen-comedy way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennthebenn
Also, "Fear of a Black Planet" being superior to "Nation of Millions" is the
best-kept secret in music. Ssh.


Definitely agree. I think Fear Of A Black Planet is astonishingly good while It Takes A Nation Of Millions is only average: its the same James Brown loops that were on every hiphop album of that era, so predictable and meek compared to FOABP (which is the true 'bring the noize' album). I prefer Apocalypse '91 and Muse Sick... to ITANOM too.

Kyohan 04.25.2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NWRA

Definitely agree. I think Fear Of A Black Planet is astonishingly good while It Takes A Nation Of Millions is only average: its the same James Brown loops that were on every hiphop album of that era, so predictable and meek compared to FOABP (which is the true 'bring the noize' album). I prefer Apocalypse '91 and Muse Sick... to ITANOM too.


Nooooo! The whole point about It Takes A Nation is that it used all those same samples, but the Bomb Squad made it sound like a much tougher, and tighter record than anything before, or arguably since, in the genre. Its also still the pinnacle of Chuck's lyricism for me.
Fear of a Black Planet is also great, but not the ground-breaking album that It Takes a Nation was.

Danny Himself 04.25.2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyohan
Nooooo! The whole point about It Takes A Nation is that it used all those same samples, but the Bomb Squad made it sound like a much tougher, and tighter record than anything before, or arguably since, in the genre. Its also still the pinnacle of Chuck's lyricism for me.
Fear of a Black Planet is also great, but not the ground-breaking album that It Takes a Nation was.


I'm agreeing with this.

Nation Of Millions is back to back powerful, noisy brilliance. It's like getting punched in the face for half an hour. My main point being that there is no rest, it just never quits until it's over.

Fear Of A Black Planet has too much filler if you ask me. Well maybe not filler, but just stuff that breaks up the flow of the album. Pollywanacracka, Incident at 66.6 FM, Anti-Nigger Machine, Reggie Jax, et al. Though Burn Hollywood Burn and 911 Is A Joke are two of my favourite Enemy tracks, I still don't think this album is a satisfying follow-up to Nation Of Millions.

Glice 04.25.2009 02:49 PM

I'm surprised that there aren't more Kurdtologists amoungst the SY massive. If memory serves, there were quite a few 'top 50s' that Kurdt put in his journals/ sent to fanzines. I'm sure one of the other ones will be re-posted here soon enough (including Meat Puppets, one would imagine).

NB - I am not a fan of Nirvana or Kurt, I just had a period of reading too many rock 'things'.

sarramkrop 04.25.2009 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I'm agreeing with this.

Nation Of Millions is back to back powerful, noisy brilliance. It's like getting punched in the face for half an hour. My main point being that there is no rest, it just never quits until it's over.

Fear Of A Black Planet has too much filler if you ask me. Well maybe not filler, but just stuff that breaks up the flow of the album. Pollywanacracka, Incident at 66.6 FM, Anti-Nigger Machine, Reggie Jax, et al. Though Burn Hollywood Burn and 911 Is A Joke are two of my favourite Enemy tracks, I still don't think this album is a satisfying follow-up to Nation Of Millions.


I too prefer Fear of A Black Planet. Not to take anything away from Nation Of Millions, which is a great record regardless, but the use of sampling and their quality on Fear is amazing. I once played the album on a winamp player while I'd click on various parts of each song randomly, and it all still gelled perfectly. Anway, they are both great records. Maybe my opinion on them is influenced by the fact that I've bought Fear first, and didn't get to hear Nation until a couple of years later.

NWRA 04.25.2009 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I'm agreeing with this.

Nation Of Millions is back to back powerful, noisy brilliance. It's like getting punched in the face for half an hour. My main point being that there is no rest, it just never quits until it's over.

Fear Of A Black Planet has too much filler if you ask me. Well maybe not filler, but just stuff that breaks up the flow of the album. Pollywanacracka, Incident at 66.6 FM, Anti-Nigger Machine, Reggie Jax, et al. Though Burn Hollywood Burn and 911 Is A Joke are two of my favourite Enemy tracks, I still don't think this album is a satisfying follow-up to Nation Of Millions.


I dunno... having listened to it again recently, the melodies on Bring The Noise, Cold Lampin With Flava, Black Steel In The Hour Of Chaos, etc, are all based around single, over-familiar samples: they’re linear and flat.

To me, they're indistinguishable to the songs on Paid In Full, Critical Beatdown, Strictly Business, etc, which use the same samples, no more like getting punched in the face for half-an- hour than listening to James Brown is!

I know it seems like I’m being a bit reductionist here, as I’m not mentioning Chuck D's voice (which does distinguish them), but I’m concentrating on the music only.

However you listen to the first (proper) song on Fear Of A Black Planet, and there are about six layers of samples at once; a disco-sounding melody, electro flourishes, Prince solo, various sound-effects, and more, all at once... its controlled chaos, and as the album proceeds it becomes so full-sounding, so dense and claustrophobic! Also this gives it more replay-value. I like all of the short songs on it too, the little fragments: it gives it a DJ mixtape-feel.

Anyhow they're the impressions that I get...

StevOK 04.25.2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
I'm surprised that there aren't more Kurdtologists amoungst the SY massive. If memory serves, there were quite a few 'top 50s' that Kurdt put in his journals/ sent to fanzines. I'm sure one of the other ones will be re-posted here soon enough (including Meat Puppets, one would imagine).

NB - I am not a fan of Nirvana or Kurt, I just had a period of reading too many rock 'things'.


Hehe, I think I might be the one to do it. I remember getting into a discussion with a friend of mine about Kurt's taste in music, and so later that night I went through Kurt's Journals and marked every page where he listed music he liked.

Here's a list of songs (the way he wrote it):

Led Zep - No Quarter live 1/2 time
Jaugernaut - Slow Death
Cowsils - Hair
Queen - Dragon Attack
Devo - Girl U Want live
Zombies - Summertime
Talking heads - dont worry About the Government
Melvins - forgotten Principles
Led Belly - [crossed out]He never said a[/crossed out] they Hung him on A Cross
AC/DC - Soul Stripper
Rem - 10,000
PiL - whatever
Lush - How does it feel to want
flipper - Shed No Tears HA HA HA
___________________________________________
Soundgarden - Heretic
Blue Oyster Culture club - kick out the Jams
Metallica - thing that should not be
Psychedellic Pistols - Pulse
Sexedellic Furs - Bodies
[crossed out]Sexpillic Furstols - Sister europe[/crossed out] Soul Asylum - Aint that Tough
[crossed out]Bad Brains - Joshuas song[/crosssed out] Jane's Addiction - 1%
Necros - Blissard Glass
Roy - in dreams
Green Biver - Ozzy
Aerosmith - Nobodys fault


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