as far as comic storytelling goes, it really doesnt get much better than 'the dark knight returns'. youre right about the art thugh, miller is a fantastic writer, but a medicore artist.

yeah, the graphic novels are better, they have all the alternate covers. i always prefer just buying the series as a graphic novel, you get everything for like 14 bucks, instead of one issue for 8 bucks, plus all the extra stuff the graphic novels have.

wolverine is boss. my favorite superhero next to batman. the origins story is great, he has retrieved his memory and hes out for blood.

anyone else excited for 'x men origins: wolverine', the wolverine prequel to the x men franchise being filmed right now. it takes place when wolvie was just a regular mutant with his amazing healing power, animal like skills, and super strength. and prolly ends when he gets the adamantium skeleton. hugh jackman reprised the role, and hes getting paid 20 fucking million bucks to do so. the movie also has motherfucking gambit!!

holywood's best movies lately seem to be comic movies.

graphic novels:

i forgot persepolis!!

maus i liked but it didnt blow my mind-- its not like i hadnt read tales of the holocaust before.

but persepolis was really awesome.

now the adaptation of paul auster's city of glass disappointed a little-- perhaps mindblowing for people who encountered it coming from comic books-- but since i had already read the original story, it was a bit disappointing-- i hate to have images imposed over what my imagination has already colored. and it didn't work so well anyway.

I'm pretty pumped for the new Wolverine shit and FINALLY some Gambit action!!

The only Marvel character I like more than Gambit is the Hulk.

Jonah Hex
Steve Ditko's Shade the Changing Man (original series)

are you kidding? MILLER has fantastic art! when dark knight returns came out in NINETEENFUCKINGEIGHTYSIX it blew everything away! the art in that is amazing! beyond amazing!

he does all the art for sin city as well. fucking genius drawing. beautiful art. grad AAAA art.

I was going by memory. But more importantly, it's not "art" in my book anyway. Or at least it's rare when it is. It's illustration. At best it's fine craft. There's a staggering amount of difference between comic book illustration and fine art. But yeah, I know what you meant, at least I guess I do. Comic books, tattoos, what have you...there's just very little difference between it and something like Thomas Kinkade...really. Good graphic design and commercial art, "good" concert posters and good photographs and the like are usually made by someone with a fine art background and can be said to be somewhat artistic, I suppose. Same goes for the greats like, I don't know, Jack Kirby or something. The craft is so fine it deserves real respect as art in that case. Anyway, just an axe I'm grinding.

Moon Knight
Akira
Death Note
Amazing Spiderman
Civil War

how could i have forgotten akira?!

anyway, i don't really understand why people always cream themselves over frank miller, sin city is totally corny, the dark knight returns is good, but hardly a master work. and as far as 80s comic artists go Jaime Hernandez & Charles Burns were way ahead of Millerin terms of style.

I've only read Daniel Clowes graphic novels to completion. I think there needs to be a film made of "Like a Velvet Hand Cast in Iron." People would watch it and go "What the fuck is this shit?"

I did read part 1 of Akira and I really loved it, but I never read the whole series.

the whole series is an expensive, but totally worth it investment.

I'm a marvel guy but I do read manga also.

i hate it when people use the word "investment" in this sense-- as something that's gonna grow monetarily and take care of you in the future or something.

Eh I've found myself reading akira several times again so I guess in terms of long term use its an investment..

so you can trade it for 2 akiras now?

sorry, this is a small peeve of mine-- having to do with people's ideas about money, etc. nothing personal.

Haha its cool. XD
And I never took it personally, yer cool.

You folks know Asterix?
He's like Batman , except he has only one gadget in his belt.

Know of him.
Nevver really read it though.

fucking a, i grew up reading asterix & tintin

AWESOME STUFF.

asterix is particularly fucking funny when youre 12. holy shit i devoured those.