The Streets aren't really Grime, as he's from Birmingham. And it's only really Dizzee's first album that was really Grime. And that was where Grime was at a long time ago, and a fairly commercial version of it. There's nothing wrong with Grime going overground, but there's always loads going on under the surface.

This radio show, from last week, should give you a better idea of what it's all about, or any of the Grime podcasts from Rinse.fm. Also, check the first Run the Road compilation.

You might want to check out Zed Bias's 'sound of pirates' to get an idea of how two-step, Grime and dubstep all relate to each other. Plus, it's a stone cold classic compilation. I tend to find that a lot of Americans have a hard time getting over the beats, which are often pretty different to American beats. Plus, a lot of Grime seemed to get sold in the states as a 'British crunk', which is bullshit.

thanks Glice. I think maybe a good concise compilation would be the sort of overview I'd need. I had a feeling that the two I'd heard were just scratching the main(er) stream surface of the genre.

On the dubstep front, you want to avoid thinking that Burial is dubstep. There's pretty much no-one in dubstep doing the same thing, and his second album is closer to two-step than dubstep.

Dance music has all these ridiculous divisions, and I feel like a cock saying these things but... well, Burial isn't really where dubstep is at.

I listened to this yesterday - loads of shiny new dubstep plates and a couple of DnB, two-step, and R&B numbers thrown in. There's loads of mixes on this forum, but a lot of them are of iffy quality. A lot of dubstep can be quite dry, so I'd recommend getting what you can of Joker - he's from Bristol and therefore awesome, but also a bit easier on the ear than a lot of dubstep.

Hit up run the road then. It's pretty old now, but it's very close to being essential. Should be easy enough to find on slsk, but PM me if you're getting troubles and I'll upload it after Christmas.

I hear what yr saying about the millions of sub-genres in dance music. I sort of lost keeping track around 2005ish. I've paid a bit of attention to dubstep, but again -- only the tipoftheiceberg stuff. Burial etc that you pointed out as not being representative. Is The Field dubstep? I've really lost track of the genres.

I don't know the field, so I'm not sure. It's gone to being a pretty international genre lately, so there's loads of crossover. I tend to like the really minimal stuff with filthy synths, and a bit of wonky stuff. I've noticed a worrying trend towards terrible 'dubstep' remixes of popular tunes lately, which is largely shite unless it's a dnb/ two-step/ grime tune in the first place.

If you can do me a youtube link I could probably tell you though.

That's pretty good, I might have to check out that album. I wouldn't say it was dubstep though. Reminds me of early techno/house actually, but I'm only really aware of UR/ Detroit and the likes of Hawtin/ +8 in that field... which is to say, not an expert by any stretch (I'm not an expert on anything though, so that's hardly a meaningful statement).

I'm still listening, and starting to miss pills again.

FROM HERE WE GO SUBLIME is a great album. Haven't heard what he's put out since. It has a certain naive charm to it that seems to pop up often in debut albums by people who have only recently discovered making electronic music.

The Field is more minimal techno. And he's ace! (Minimal techno is really an interesting genre too).
I'm having trouble with all those dubsteps / wonky / glitch hop / blahblah subgenres too - though I listen to tons of it. Favorite album from this nebula this year: Dorian Concept's When Planets Explode.

Thanks a lot, I'm dling it / browsing this forum as soon as I can.

Listening to this one as we speak. There are some absolutely lush tunes all up in this motherfucker.

Aim High Vol 2 is the best grime comp i've heard, vol 3 is also really great, and the Lord Of The Decks series of comps are also totally worth checking out, especially vol.3.
also any mixes by logan sama are probably worth hearing, he's the grime equivalent of someone like mr magic.

not really related but anyway, someone recommended me some reggaeton recently. if anyone ever tries to recommend any reggaeton to you, ignore them.

my favourite grime video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtO-YRejpQI

yes.

....glice would probably like it though

it sounds good, the name, reggaeton. fucking hell though, when i heard it.

yes, the unholy spawn of mariachi and happy hardcore

it could be worse though, it could be baile funk