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h8kurdt 11.26.2014 04:39 PM

Lolerpool.

Rob Instigator 11.26.2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
It's as fake as Pandora Peaks's tits


http://www.ksl.com/?sid=32487883&nid=1205

done by BYU's Tv students

demonrail666 11.26.2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
benatia getting himself thrown out was massively idiotic (look at what the poor bastard was saying pre-game here and what beckenbauer said afterwards here) .


It was silly and he obviously did himself no favours but Beckenbauer just loves the sound of his own voice a bit too much.

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then there were the weird substitutions-- schweinsteiger for ribéry? shaqiri should have been the one. and why take lewandowski out? should have been shaquiri for ribéry and keep their shape. what the fuck.

You may be right about Ribery, I dunno, but my memory of the Lewandowski sub was Bayern were already ahead and looking comfortable in a game they didn't really even need to win, so why risk an injury to their main striker? He was also getting increasingly physical with Kompany as the game went on so Pep was probably just trying to make sure he didn't draw a card.

demonrail666 11.26.2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
Lolerpool.


Never saw the game but Rodgers was bigging up their performance in the post match. Although regardless of how Liverpool play, there's always some comedy value in a Brendan Rodgers post match interview.

!@#$%! 11.27.2014 05:02 PM

oh, dortmund!

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now you all know what i was talking about. dortmund has officially become a dull team.

props to alexis for the beautiful goal (and previous attempts). also that long-legged dude who scored the first goal. and cazorla played so well. but regardless, dortmund has officially become a dull team.

very very sad, but also true.

demonrail666 11.27.2014 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
oh, dortmund!

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now you all know what i was talking about. dortmund has officially become a dull team.

props to alexis for the beautiful goal (and previous attempts). also that long-legged dude who scored the first goal. and cazorla played so well. but regardless, dortmund has officially become a dull team.

very very sad, but also true.


You hit it on the head, dull, flat. It felt like Klopp was the only one interested. I was poo-pooing your relegation fears earlier in the season but, while I still don't think they're quite that bad, there's obviously something very wrong there.

And yeah, Sanchez's goal was a beauty.

!@#$%! 11.28.2014 01:54 AM

see normally in the bundesliga the opposing teams play them defensively and neutralize dortmund's counterattack. arsenal had less possession today! 45% vs. 55 dortmund/

the problem with klopp's system it seems to me is that
- it relies on young players who can overrun the opposition
and
- when said players get old, they can't run as fast and/or they get injured (sometimes when young too)
and
- it depends too much on counterattacking. what do you do when you have possession most of the time?
and
- it relies on exceedingly young brilliant players (gotze, lewandowski, reus) which are rare/easily poached/ get injured.

the thing with his system, it's not brilliant, but it depends for its brilliance on individual ability, and this year he doesn't have it, hence = dull.

immobile should have make it work but what the fuck is up with him. i don't know. top serie a goalscorer last year now can't find his way out of a paper bag. also, aubameyang, fast but inaccurate. ramos has been a mess. mkhitarian always making impressive moves but always also failing to deliver.

the defense missing hummels & sokratis due to this or that always (sokratis = broken leg, hummels still out on an ankle injury). kehl about to retire. gundogan improving but still not in full form. kuba also injured. sahin no idea. kagawa with nobody to play the way he used to w/ gotze & reus-- or maybe it's that he can't run as when he was younger?

new strategy: recruit them at 19, make them run until they break, sell them at 25, rinse & repeat.

dortmund currently #16 on the bundesliga table (out of 18 teams). that's the relegation playoff spot.

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the goal by sánchez was so pretty because it went out and curved into the goalpost and weidenfeller reached for it but it also curved downward and plopped riiiiiiiiight into a very small unreachable pocket-- what a beautiful shot because, damn, it's practically impossible. also not sure if you spotted but he attempted a similar one minutes before. practice makes perfect.

demonrail666 11.28.2014 06:07 AM

Must spread Rep, etc ...

Dortmund look like a perfect storm. Key players sold or injured and new ones not firing at all, playing a system too easy for opponents to neutralise. All the things you said, basically. And, unless there's a dramatic turn around in form soon, it'll only get worse as in demand players like Hummels and Reus almost certainly start looking for an exit. I still think it's too early to think about them getting relegated, despite their current position, but if they're playing in the Bundelsiga the way they played against a (let's not forget) very average Arsenal side, then who knows? But even if they avoid the drop, not qualifying for any European football at all (which does seem very possible) would be disaster enough, not just for Dortmund but for Klopp. He's currently still on the radar of clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal but more performances like the one on Wednesday will really hurt his prospects with any potential employers.

h8kurdt 11.28.2014 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Must spread Rep, etc ...

Dortmund look like a perfect storm. Key players sold or injured and new ones not firing at all, playing a system too easy for opponents to neutralise. All the things you said, basically. And, unless there's a dramatic turn around in form soon, it'll only get worse as in demand players like Hummels and Reus almost certainly start looking for an exit. I still think it's too early to think about them getting relegated, despite their current position, but if they're playing in the Bundelsiga the way they played against a (let's not forget) very average Arsenal side, then who knows? But even if they avoid the drop, not qualifying for any European football at all (which does seem very possible) would be disaster enough, not just for Dortmund but for Klopp. He's currently still on the radar of clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal but more performances like the one on Wednesday will really hurt his prospects with any potential employers.


You could put this to Ajax too. Great players brought up, sold, which then buggers up their champions league.

demonrail666 11.29.2014 03:53 AM

It could be said of any team who tries to build long term that isn't in that elite, super-rich bracket. And it runs all the way down. In buying Lewandowski, Bayern only did to Dortmund what Dortmund did to Lech Poznan. Poznan wins the league with Lewandowski as top scorer then Dortmund jumps in, buys him, and the following year Poznan finish mid table. Dortmund plays the same game as every other club, their fans are just pissed cos they're not at the very top of the spending chain the way Bayern is, but Dortmund would do exactly the same as them if they were. And they are doing exactly the same thing to clubs below them. Every club who buys players in from outside is.

!@#$%! 11.29.2014 09:32 AM

pep about to start a weird 4-1-3-2 formation (on paper anyway)

rafinha boateng dante bernat
alonso
gotze robben ribery
muller lewandowski

looks crazy. let's see what happens.

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ps- a bit crowded but they won 1-0.

demonrail666 11.29.2014 06:00 PM

Meanwhile ... West Ham!

Most fun I've had supporting them since the 2005-6 season.

 

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.29.2014 06:06 PM

 

!@#$%! 11.30.2014 12:17 PM

frankfurt punking dortmund 1-0 at half time. as of right now, dortmund is the sole occupant of the bottom spot on the bundesliga table.

earlier today wolfsburg beat monchengladbach 1-0 in a lively game. really nice back and forth.

oh, poor dortmund-- kagawa running in circles without any decent help, mkhitarian shooting at the moon, ramos trampling around like a man on stilts, the defense floundering before frankfurt's lightning-fast counterattacks. this is like something out of a greek tragedy or the book of job. a closeup of klopp grinding his teeth as he watches from the sidelines is all you need to see to understand.

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eta: 2-0 at 78'!

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http://www.bundesliga.com/en/stats/table/

h8kurdt 11.30.2014 01:55 PM

Well at least I don't feel as bad as Dortmund fans do. God dammit Everton.

demonrail666 11.30.2014 02:15 PM

Bad result for you but a great game. Harry Kane looks like the real deal. He was the difference today.

h8kurdt 11.30.2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Bad result for you but a great game. Harry Kane looks like the real deal. He was the difference today.


Yeah he's looking great. It's getting busy up front with players to chose from for the England squad. At the back though...

And trust it to be this game Soldado finally gets a goal.

demonrail666 11.30.2014 03:58 PM

Yeah, be interesting to see what Roy does with Kane. Same with Charlie Austin. But in making Rooney captain he's effectively eliminated at least one option up front, and on current form Welbeck's pretty much undroppable. Purely from a selection point of view he maybe should've made Cahill captain, creating more competition for places up front, and knowing nobody's realistically challenging for Cahill's position right now. Although I have to say, so far, I've really liked how Rooney's adapted to the captaincy.

!@#$%! 11.30.2014 04:58 PM

^^ hey, congrats on west ham's good fortunes. they other day i heard them mentioned as candidates to make the champions league. i'm going to have to check them out one of these days! and did you move up to that olympic stadium yet or did that never happen?

demonrail666 11.30.2014 05:33 PM

They're doing great but their current league place flatters them a bit. Big teams like Arsenal and Liverpool will inevitably improve and West Ham will start to fall to around the mid table, which is more realistic and still far better than I've been used to the past few seasons.

As for watching them, they're getting results and generally playing well but nothing to excite neutrals. No Sam Allardyce side will ever be pleasing on the eye but relative to last season they're at least watchable now.

They move into the Olympic stadium next year.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 11.30.2014 08:38 PM

Hoping tonight isnt Landon Donovan's last game!

demonrail666 12.01.2014 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
frankfurt punking dortmund 1-0 at half time. as of right now, dortmund is the sole occupant of the bottom spot on the bundesliga table.

earlier today wolfsburg beat monchengladbach 1-0 in a lively game. really nice back and forth.

oh, poor dortmund-- kagawa running in circles without any decent help, mkhitarian shooting at the moon, ramos trampling around like a man on stilts, the defense floundering before frankfurt's lightning-fast counterattacks. this is like something out of a greek tragedy or the book of job. a closeup of klopp grinding his teeth as he watches from the sidelines is all you need to see to understand.

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eta: 2-0 at 78'!

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http://www.bundesliga.com/en/stats/table/


I watched a rerun of it. The result's what counts but I did think Dortmund were a bit unlucky, at least up front. They had a load of chances but just couldn't finish. Where they weren't unlucky was at the back. It was stupid defensive errors that gave Frankfurt the win.

Either way, I don't think I've ever seen a team fall so dramatically, relative to expectation. Even Man U under Moyes were never in contention for relegation. This is a whole other level of collapse. And yet the weirdest part is that the UK press can't stop its love affair with Klopp and the radio phone-ins are still full of Arsenal fans wanting him to replace Wenger. It's bizarre; as frustrating as Arsenal might be under Wenger, they'll still most likely qualify for the CL. It's as though the press and the fans are deliberately ignoring what's actually going on at Dortmund this season.

 

!@#$%! 12.01.2014 09:12 AM

if he goes to arsenal everyone will love him first and then every player will be mysteriously injured (form overrunning?). then everyone will figure out his system. btw pisscheck (don't know how to spell his name) injured as well now. joining.... pretty much the whole squad. immobile is hurt too apparently.

speaking of this--announcers the other day were commenting how pep doesn't like it when robben or ribery run 40 or 50 or 70 meters and then they have to run back to defend. he likes to keep runs short. and he may be an overly baroque overthinker, but he doesn't have so many injured players as klopp (well except for lahm and alaba and javi martinez and thiago alcantara and badstuber ha ha ha... hm, not funny.... )

about "unlucky upfront": they are not unlucky, they are highly inaccurate. it's been going on all season: 100s of shots, all of them towards some portion of the sky.

demonrail666 12.01.2014 10:24 AM

I dare say you're right about the unlucky thing. I've not seen much of them but they seemed to be playing with an air of desperation at the front, which obviously stems from a total lack of confidence. That'll only return with wins and only get worse as results continue to go against them. And as teams that a season ago would've faced them with a sense of fear now feel able to really have a go at them, it'll be even harder for them to break out of that cycle. This is the kind of situation, in terms of if Klopp can turn that around, that'll show just how good a manager he really is.

!@#$%! 12.01.2014 12:16 PM

one thing to consider though is the competitiveness of the bundesliga when you remove bayern from the equation. these teams are all solid, which makes them all viable giant killers-- even if dortmund is no giant right now, the competition is tough no matter what team you face.

h8kurdt 12.01.2014 01:43 PM

So Ronaldo, Messi and Neuer are the 3 finalist for the Ballon d'or. Great to see Neuer on there.

demonrail666 12.01.2014 02:12 PM

Seems fair to me. Ronaldo will win it but I'd love to see it go to Neuer.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.01.2014 09:20 PM

 

These ninjaz got heart yo! Fuck Ronaldo

!@#$%! 12.01.2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
So Ronaldo, Messi and Neuer are the 3 finalist for the Ballon d'or. Great to see Neuer on there.


YES.

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Seems fair to me. Ronaldo will win it but I'd love to see it go to Neuer.


maybe but you should have seen neuer this past weekend. every way deserving of the trophy. it's like bayern has 12 players.

(yes, i admit it, i'm unfair and biased)

demonrail666 12.02.2014 05:43 AM

 

demonrail666 12.02.2014 09:57 AM

Balotelli in trouble again, after posting this on his instagram ...

 

!@#$%! 12.02.2014 10:22 AM

great picture comedy this morning!

h8kurdt 12.02.2014 01:27 PM

Whatever. From what it seems it's people going mad only over the jewish line, then I found out Balotelli's mam is jewish, so yeah, he's clearly anti-semitic. It's hardly anything to weep about.

demonrail666 12.02.2014 01:44 PM

It's not about him being racist, it's about him being an idiot. "why always me'? Cos you keep doing stupid stuff like that, mario.

h8kurdt 12.02.2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
It's not about him being racist, it's about him being an idiot. "why always me'? Cos you keep doing stupid stuff like that, mario.


I get that. You just think "Really? This seemed like a good idea when?"

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.02.2014 04:40 PM

Hoping Galaxy can give Lando the trophy on Sunday. While y'all may scoff at him, taking 6th mls cup and retiring on top would be a fairy tale ending regardless of folks opinions about competitiveness of MLS

demonrail666 12.02.2014 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
I get that. You just think "Really? This seemed like a good idea when?"


From Rodgers' point of view It'd almost be better if he was racist. At least then there'd be a logic behind it, something for him to work with, but it's all just random stupidity with him. Nothing really terrible, just idiotic.

!@#$%! 12.02.2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
From Rodgers' point of view It'd almost be better if he was racist. At least then there'd be a logic behind it, something for him to work with, but it's all just random stupidity with him. Nothing really terrible, just idiotic.


let me venture the hypothesis that this may not exactly be "stupidity" but actual "goofiness". they may look similar but it's not the same-- stupid is dense, goofy is playful. and from that playfulness his occasional spark of genius. he's not dense, he's just a big manchild-- you saw his video greeting the children for the schoolyear, yes? he should post anonymously on 4chan and nobody will notice.

demonrail666 12.02.2014 05:48 PM

Goofy is harmless. The reason what he does is stupid is because it's not harmless, it's destroying his career. But I think there's so much weird shit in his head that maybe that's what he wants.

!@#$%! 12.02.2014 06:28 PM

goofy is not harmless when it's an airplane pilot carrying passengers. goofy is not a nuclear plant operator having a foodfight. the problem with balotelli is that he can't control when to be goofy and when to be serious. it's an emotional problem, not one of intelligence. of course he's fucked up-- i think his bio parents did a number on him and then he had another set of parents to fuck him up extra.

but anyway, this is all about his public persona vs private person. back in ancient times there was this south american player who was reputed for being able to break beer bottles with his dick, an act which purportedly he demonstrated live in the brothels he frequented. but that's the thing, it was hearsay about a life behind closed doors-- the public only knew his exploits on the pitch or whatever gossip the newspaper managed to print. there were no dick picks or vines or youtube videos of this bottle-slapping dick. the problem with today's social media is that there are no more brothels left, and everyone is always everywhere in presentation mode and under scrutiny. a nightmare.

where he's stupid i think is in wanting to attract attention as if every stranger was his friend. every famous person needs a PR manager these days, no exceptions.


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