lol, asscroft
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You're justifying the threatened action of Trump to repeal Daca by executive order based on the premise that Obama implemented it by executive order. You're justifying circumventing the legislative process by saying someone else did it. So your argument against against this kind of overreach, while justifying more overreach to fix it, is flawed to the point of not being much of an argument for anything. You can be against both or neither based on what you've said... unless you've turned the issue into an emotional one for some reason. |
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Good thing you put ad hominem in italics and loosely defined it. Certainly none of us have ever taken an introductory college composition course. |
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Yeah, ok, but DACA wasn't truly unconstitutional. You know this. Of course there's an interpretation to all of this nonsense, but the fact of the matter is that the U.S. Constitution and Congress have, always and willingly, given the Executive Office this kind of power. It's a matter of prioritization and the president has the constitutional authority to prioritize an issue by executive order if the legislature can't get its shit together. It's not truly circumventing the legislative process. It's indeed part of the legislative process. It can be undone or blocked by the Supreme Court, and that too is technically constitutional. Just saying "Daca was unconstitutional, even Obama admitted it" (quoting shittily-written headlines here, not you) is missing the point and simplifying the issue for effect. Emotional effect, actually, which you seem to frown on. The word "unconstitutional" is a reliable gut-punch for the public, and it's wielded far too often. I'm pretty sure you know this. You've quoted Article II plenty of times. You know both the executive order and the potential rescinding of it are technically constitutional with loads of precedent. |
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you're an obnoxious dissembler i concede nothing Quote:
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Wow. Symbols is right. You are a dissembler. I can't tell if you're deliberately obfuscating my point about the constitutionality of Daca, but you're factually wrong about it being unconstitutional. That's the deal. Period. |
"undermine the wage value of American labor"
talk to the 1% |
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Ok, so you don't like the constitution, or our interpretation of it is flawed. Not my prob. Take it up with a forefather. |
habitual drunkard skunk wouldn't be employable even if there were infinite positions to be filled, and as an immigrant and a traitor (he claims to be "german" and loyal to the british crown) he should be deported on that basis alone, instead of being a drain on the public coffers.
but you know how it is with the deplorables-- they'd rather blame someone else than admit and fix their own faults. hate "the guvmint" and "mexicans" but live off disability checks--paid for in part by mexicans. fucking bullshit and drunkard denial is what that is. fuckem. lazy. racist fuck. -- eta: no mercy from me for those unwilling to be merciful to young, hard-working, law-abiding young people who through no fault of their own got stuck in limbo in america. if law-breaking is inheritable, then let's try skunk for his great-grandmammy's crimes. |
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in a hurry, so quickly to say: bullshit claims of socialism when you lack solidarity. all you want is more government checks: pure self-interest. a confused ayn randite parasite without a job is not a socialist. https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/ - say "thank you" that old bootlegger who stole land from the indians? please! she was here illegally. now you go back to the land of your ancestors. eat shit. and die. |
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Saying stuff like that just negates any argument you may have. You're better than that; don't stoop to that level. |
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it's pointless to argue with those who feign reason in bad faith. i called him an obnoxious dissembler and i meant it. like this shit about "illegals don't pay social security" utter bollocks and drunken lies--the working undocumented are supporting his entitled jobless existence but instead of saying thank you he wants to punish a bunch of blameless kids, while claiming "socialism" i've no time for dialogue with the insincere and to fulfill godwin's law: how long would you spend "convincing" goebbels? (godwin btw says it's ok to call nazis nazis) thanks again friend. i know what you mean. seriously. but it doesn't apply here. or to that shitbird tesla. there's a time to have a conversation and there's a time to strike back at the vaseline that attempts to slide in the nazi cock. i've had it with the toxic liars. fuck and destroy "national socialists" and their bullshit "logic". |
as someone said recent Kid Rock speech resembles scene from Idiocracy
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Holy shit.
Went to youtube. Looked for vid. Found it, but couldn't stand the applauding comments. "A little less bad language would be nice" was most scathing criticism. So I go to another channel. Same thing. Another. Another. Another. They love him. Jesus fuck he could win. |
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there was a washington post article today about st augustine's "city of god" in light of/remembrance of 9/11-- the writer happened to teach that text that day as the towers crumbled. one of the points that augustine makes (i'll confess, i've never been much interested in reading him until now) is how civilizations can suddenly collapse. he wrote it seems in the aftermath of the fall of rome, and claimed that those who pursued the mastery of others were doomed to fail in the end. while some may dispute this and argue that rome actually just changed hands rather than fall, it seems to have been perceived as a sudden collapse of power by augustine and his contemporaries. i don't know if this is the end of anything at all, but i know that ends can come quicker than anyone expects. so i guess the lesson is to always expect them quickly, and be ready for what may come. with this im not endorsing alpacalypse scenarios by the way. but history clearly hasn't "ended" as fools claimed at the end of the last century. the shit will keep hitting the fan one way or another, always. |
From my quite 5 minute googling, it looks like it's mostly older generations that voted Trump. The Kid Rock stuff above brought it to mind. It's something that can't be completely blamed on Millennials. Would be interesting how many senior citizens would get behind Kid Rock, who they probably don't know at all.
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Just as bad, but in a different way, senator Roy Moore
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you meekly admit to your false claims when cornered with evidence-- but not without first claiming some sort of superiority and preaching a perverse brand of selective solidarity. the classist socialist! lol. nazi volksgemeinschaft. as basically a beggar, you're more lumpenproletariat than the hard-working, enterepreneurial immigrants who are full of revolutionary potential. just look at those DACA kids-- they're young and hard-working and ambitious and educated and conscious and organized, and they don't mind paying for your disability. whereas all you have to look forward to is your drink and your cigarette smokes and your resentment and your dinosaur politics. what sort of mental illness makes you think that you're superior to them? they're the ones supporting you with their taxes. your national socialism is garbage. your claims of superiority are garbage. today's mexican is yesterday's jew/gypsy/slav/assorted "degenerate". same fucking broken record. same loser claims. we can see through your bullshit. nazi punks fuck off. |
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Jesus Christ man... You know goddamn well he hasn't calling you a Nazi, because you obviously come to a Sonic Youth board m, and it's highly unlikely that any Sonic Youth fan would not pick up on this reference: Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off He was just saying something, tangential to his previous points. Like a meme, only the old version. With, like, real things. This is starting to feel like a gang-up though, and I'm not really comfortable with gang-ups. I don't think Symbols is either. But my personal opinion aside from anything anyone else has said is that you're both a troll and a dissemlbler, intentionally missing and obfuscating points, trolling and losing the thread deliberately. You're accusing someone of "otherizing" because they (gasp) quoted Dead Kennedys in your presence. Probably to be funny. The point of the discussion is now buried under too many layers of shit to adequately proceed with any fruitful discussion. Not that you want that. |
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