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my recollection of the events you are describing involve THE RED album, not the white album. So you sure bruh?
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also - if you disagree with louder's opinion of an album, just wait 9 months. He always changes his mind. :)
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sev, here's me telling you to listen to the white album, then you listened to red album, and I told you "no you should listen to white album" -
http://sonicyouth.com/gossip/showpos...ostcount=49321 -so yeah, I ask again: "you never listened to white album from last year huh? It's their strongest in years." |
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To be clear. I don't think you actually like anything that I actively dislike. I don't like the Pumpkins, but I don't actively hate the idea of their existence. I was a teen in the late '90s after all, and they felt important then. ** Plus, they made some undeniably good alt rock songs back in the early-mid '90s. Weezer is another one I don't actively hate. I mean, shit dog, I'm exactly old enough to have experience maximum Weezer impact. Blue came out and was my soindtrack for awkward girl encounters, then a few years later I had matured just enough to appreciate the flippant and manic-depressive oddballness of Pinkerton. Those albums, for a while, felt as vital to the American indie/alt rock scene as Pavement's first two. Of course, I was older and smart enough to be *mostly* disappointed when the Green album came out, but I still caught them in concert that year and continued to buy their albums until... well... the next one, at which point I stopped buying Weezer albums forever. Who needed Maladroit in 2001? Those were Kid A/mesiac days, and I fancied myself far too sophisticated for a band that had turned into the aural equivalent of a "Revenge of the Nerds" movie. And Pearl Jam? Man. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I was lucky enough to experience some of the benefits of the seattle sound explosion in real time (seeing Nirvana, thank the good lord, even if I was too young to remember much about it, catching Mudhoney for free at Pain in the Grass, etc.), so I will always be at least a part-time Pearl Jam fan. I waited in line for Vs. I saw them perform on a tour that recently made Rolling Stone's list of the 50 best concerts of the last 50 years. I don't think they've released anything of any consequence in quite a while, but Binaural had some flickers of hope. "God's Dice" was a banger and good live. I forget what else is on there, but this was the album where my interest began to wane. Anyway, PJ has good songs and a few truly great ones speckled throughout their too-long career, and I'll always have a place in my heart for everything after TEN and before Riot Act. Vitalolgy is an underestimated album in '90s rock history. It was not as massive culturally as VS or Ten, but it was still HUGE. Their last truly HUGE album. And it predicted the return of vinyl. And it had some really interesting and bizarre tracks with a sound that I wish the band had toyed with more ("Tremor Christ," "Last Exit," "Spin the black Circle," "Not for You," .... but mostly "Tremor Christ," because that song just rocks like a White Album Beatles joint. Kicks the shit out of "Black Hole Sun," that's for sure). Aaaaannnyway, I don't remember Binaural being a big commercial success. It sold less than Yield, which sold less than No Code, which sold less than Vitalogy, which sold less than Vs, which sold less than Ten. I remember reviewing largely tepid/so-so reviews of it. "Nothing as it seems" was a weird lead single. So slow. So I'm not sure where you're getting your intel on that, but whatever dog. Point is, you like some bands that I may not like, but it's not like you're into shit that I hate. And even if you were, it wouldn't matter because you are a cool dude. ** I still think a lot of the Pumpkins' singles had some serious firepower, and I voted for "1979" as the class song for my high school graduating class... it got some votes, and made it into the top 3 or whatever, but mostly it just puzzled people who insisted that, because it wasn't 1979, the song didn't make sense (idiots), but I voted for it because it was HUGE across cliques and classes when we first made the jump to high school form junior high, and, not only that, but it's a song about nostalgia, so.. yeah. I forget what won, but it wasn't that song. And I was *really* stoned during the ceremony, so if someone performed whatever song was chosen, my memories of it are blurred. |
thank for that post. Sheds a lot of light. And, I'm quite jealous that you saw Nirvana. Wow.
Weezer... I saw them on tour for Green album before it actually came out. I remember the excitement of a new song being played live ("Island In The Sun"). So I have a super soft spot for that album honestly. Now Maladroit - whoo what a weird album. See, I actually think it works quite nice juxtaposed against something like Amnesiac (which is my fav Radiohead album). One year and two vastly different records by two favorite and long-standing bands. I mean go back and listen to Maladroit. What a fucking weird mess of an album. It's like... stoner rock pop. Honestly, Maladroit is an album that gets better to me with time. I remember getting super into it again in 2007, and now again. As a side note, is it weird that I think I like No Code more than Vitalogy? |
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Oh yah it was for sure the Red Album. But I did listen to a single from the White one after you talked about it. I think I shut that shit off pretty quick. |
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well, if you ever get bored I'd suggest "Thank God For Girls," "Do You Wanna Get High" and "Jacked Up" of great examples of why I still love new Weezer albums.
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Dont be jealous that I saw Nirvana. I was tagging along with family, and I was young. It was in ... '93? ... and I remember so little that it's actually kind of a curse. I was a fan to the extent that I could be a fan at such a young age, but I only have glimpses in my head that are warped by time. Trying to hang on to them is incredibly frustrating, because shit just slips away, so I usually don't even mention it. Same thing happened when I saw Jerry Garcia with the Dead in '95. I remember so little that I don't feel like I even deserve to claim it as a life experience. Though maybe I've just done too many drugs in my life, because it's not like I was 5 at the time. Hmmm... |
![]() it's so easy to cite Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie as these essential albums of the 90's. And they are. But F... back when I was in high school, Pisces Iscariot was the far easier answer to the question "why do I love SP?" I should note that I've long considered that the best way to hear what a band REALLY sounds like is thru a b-sides collection. The tracks here range from pretty to rockingggg. But there's something... less epic, or more humble. And sure that could all be formulated. The tossed off photos. The typos in the liners. The way that these b-sides just feel less produced. But I don't know. This to me is just such a fantastic album, and certainly one of its time. |
![]() Do they make 'em like this anymore? Probably yes. But kinda not. Examples: "Come Calling (His Song)" "Come Calling (Her Song)" — the Low-esque version of the above. |
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Watched that. I don't get that guy, like, 90% of the time. He likes Kanye but doesn't like MBDTF or Yeezus (and he likes 808s but thinks "RoboCop" is meaningless filler?) He likes Swans but thinks The Seer was the worst thing they've done since reuniting. He (apparently) listens to records by Six Feet Under and Corey Feldman (??) enough to have strong opinions about them. He doesn't seem to see the world trough the same lens that I do. Even when I'm agreeing with him I'm scratching my head at his reasoning. |
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That's cos it is ;) |
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THE FUCK YOU SAY! It's the best song on the album. Legitimately the most sonically interesting in my not-at-all-humble-opinion. Also, it's a welcome bit of fresh spring breeze on an otherwise cold and frigid album. It makes me laugh, and the change-up at the end is just delightful. Seriously. I dot dislike anything on 808s & Hearbreak ("Pinocchio Story" sucks a bit but it's not a proper track), but "RoboCop" is the song that really hits me the hardest every time I listen to the album straight through. Without it, the album would be significantly less awesome. You crazy playa |
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The best song? Mental. Ranked- 1. Say You Will 2. Welcome To Heartbreak 3. Heartless 4. Amazing 5. Love Lockdown 6. Coldest winter 7.Robocop 8. Street Lights 9. Bad News 10. See You In My Nightmares 11. Paranoid 12. Pinocchio Story Seriously, the first half is amazing, second half I can easily leave as it only gets worse. Except for the nadir that is Paranoid. |
I will say that on Love Lockdown when he does the distortion on the vocals when he says #system overload# makes me cream ever time. Up there in my top five moments Kanye did.
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Ah man, you don't get it. "RoboCop" and "Paranoid" are necessary to the flow of the album. You start off heavy, with "Say You Will," and "Welcome to Heartbrak," then things get a bit upbeat with "Heartless," (but not really, 'cause it about sadface), then shit gets fucking serious with "Amazing" and "Love Lockdown." Those are the stone-cold-stunners, musically; grab your balls and grip them, force you to focus. "Paranoid" and "RoboCop" are the lighthearted centerpiece that the listener needs before the turbulence returns. I used to hate "Paranoid" too, but I always think of "The Noid" from those '80s Domino's commercials at the beginning, and the studio sounds and laughter really make for a nice atmosphere. I can't help but smile at that shit. "RoboCop" is the tails to "Paranoid's" heads. On one hand it has the harshest instrumentals on the album, and one the other hand it literally contains the opposite — the most colorful flourishes. Somehow it manages to sound upbeat *for real* (not just on the surface like "Heartless," which is a brilliant song). And it's there to make you giggle. Yes, it's a bit shallow, but that "You're killing me, that was a good one.. you're first good one in a while" is the kind of line that only Kanye could make charming. It's fucking demeaning as hell, but wow, it makes me laugh and smile and sing along. "Paranoid" is nowhere near the top of the heap, but it's good. "RoboCop" makes the album. |
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You don't need to say that. It's an awesome moment. #FACTS I feel the same way (top 5-wise) about the climax and release of "RoboCop." It's up there with the interlude on "Gone," and the intro of "Good Morning," and the "Brad Pitt" verse on "Bound 2." |
Amazing and Nightmares are my fav on 808.
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Re: Pisces Iscariot... My wife doesn't think it rocks enough.
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It was always my favorite SPs album. I'm not sure why. That "Landslide" cover is hideous. But somehow, without all the pomp and fluff of Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie, it felt more natural, even if it wasn't a proper "album." At the time I was comparing everything to Nirvana though. Impossible thing to do, because nothing actually sounds like Nirvana, despite how much and how hard so many bands (the Pumpkins included) tried. But at least Pisces had the raw, jammy thing going for it. "Whir" and "Starla" were my favorite tracks. Still pales in comparison to Nirvana. Pumpkins were like a weird goulash of stylistic tropes. They wanted to be Jane's Addiction and Nirvana and MBV and Sonic Youth and Boston and glam metal and Nine Inch Nails and Fleetwood Mac and the Beatles and the Cars and the Cure... oh, and later Radiohead... then NIN again. They made a lot of sense to me as a kid, but when I started to listen to some of the bands they were emulating, I was left with no use for them whatsoever. |
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Nightmare's pretty low on my list. It's a good song, but Wayne's "you are Mrs. Pee-yew" line comes close to ruining it all. "Amazing" was I think the first Kanye song that made me go, "Wow." Not that I'd listened to him much before that chance encounter, assuming he was just Diddy version 2.0, despite all the evidence to the contrary. But that was the song that planted the seed for the fandom you all have to endure today. :D It sounded like a chain-gang worksong. It sounded so ... weird. I heard it and who it was on an online forum. The response was basically, "Uuuuhhhh... it's Kanye West you unbelievable moron" about a thousand times over. And I was so shocked that the insults didn't even really register. I could believe that this weird, dark, brilliant, song was buy the most popular figure in music. It was a while before the full extent of Kanye's unquestionable prowess really hit me, but that was the epiphanic moment where I realized that I had indeed been an unbelievable moron by avoiding music just because it was popular. |
"Pinnochio Story" ain't no proper track mang. Don't list it as a proper track. That's just some howl-at-the-moon primal scream shit tacked on because bonus tracks were an expectation.
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Oh yah, Kanye West is so booooring and predictable.
Wilco, though, blows minds wide open, right? Yeah. Always zigging and zagging and doing the last thing you'd expect. :fuckyou: (And yes I realize I love Wilco so this doesn't really make sense but I wanted to say something in response to your tantiness, and the only other thing I could come up with was "shut up dildo.") :fuckyou: :D :fuckyou: |
The reason this is putting me to sleep is that this thread, the one about new releases and the one about electronic stuff can all basically be merged into one goddamn homogenous thread by now. There are other things going on, dammit...
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Mark Lanegan - Gargoyle
Better than Phantom Radio but a couple of notches below Bubblegum and Blues Funeral in my opinion. The electronic influence present on Phantom continues but it is more subtle and part of the great whole of Gargoyle. The album remains too poppy and polished for my tastes - Lanegan's voice seems to lose its gritty punch with such production. I gave the new JAMC album another listen this weekend...its a grower. Another album that seems stifled by mixing that isn't to my taste. Some really nice guitar is just buried. Songs are strong though. |
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Ok, cool! Let's talk about those! |
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I agree about the new Lanegan being lesser than Bubblegum and Blue Funeral. Lanegan's appeal is in his delivery, and I don't feel that the new record really does justice to his vocals and presence as a studio artist. Lanegan's up there with Jeff Tweedy and Paul Westerberg in terms of having extremely relatable, gritty (or gritty-ish) vocals. Production needs to line up with that as does song structure. "In the Fade" is a nice example of a meeting of the minds between Lanagan and a band in which his style really worked (at the time). God that's a great song. Gonna listen to that now I think. |
![]() One Hot Minute is a bit of a sore thumb - or black sheep - in the RHCP's discography. Call it transitional. I don't even think the band likes it all that much. Or at least they seem to sort of disown it now. But back when it came out, I remember being super into it. A lot of my friends were. Feels like part of the soundtrack to that year of high school. Don't get me wrong, it totally pales next to the album that came before it (and the one that came after it). But there's some pretty cool and weird stuff on here. "My Friends" is still gorgeous. And Flea singing "Pea" w/ just his bass? Awesome. "Warped" rocks. "Aeroplane" is actually a lot nicer to my ears now than it was then. I don't know. I think Navarro comes across like a friend helping friends make an album to make an album. And it's an interesting album. Not one of their top tier mind, but a lot better than folks make it out to be. |
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Interesting album indeed. Transcending is probably the best song on there. I barely listen to the other tracks. |
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then talk about music that doesn't put you to sleep. "Skronk" or wahtever it is that you like.
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...trying to find a pressed silver disc bootleg of SP's Machina II if anyone is able to help me out...
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![]() Vs. sounds like the album between Ten and Vitalogy. It's looser and has a bit more teeth than Ten, but it's also still got solos and some epic stadium leads. But even as a transitional album it's fantastic. Vs. was the favorite Pearl Jam album of my younger self. I vividly remember buying it and In Utero on the same day (on cassette!) and those two albums pretty much lived in my boombox, swapped back forth for months. Actually, quite like Ten and Nevermind did previously. I'm getting sidetracked. Vs. is still awesome. From the up-tempos of "Go," "Animal," "Dissident" to the simmers of "Daughter" and "Elderly Woman..." I still think this is just a fantastic album. |
"Go" is good stadium rock for sure.
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