As you can see here:

http://www.discogs.com/Joy-Division-...release/498856

An Ideal for living has released also in 12" in same cover first time 1978. In JD-document they said the pressing was bad in 7" and sounded just shit, so they decided to press it again in 12" and different cover. So that RSD-release is reissue. I think there is also RSD reissue from that 7". I don´t have any of those, only Substance.

Also noticed they have released three songs from those RCA-sessions in "Heart & Soul"-box: the Drawback (renamed All This For You), Interzone & Shadowplay. Still 8 songs not been officially released.

:) Well, I have just been quite big JD fan quite a long time (soon 30 years). I just ordered that Warsaw-cd in the beginning of nineties, I didn´t then know what it was, I thought it was some live bootleg. Then few years later I bought that Suatoni book, where I got information about those sessions. With that book came also mini-cd where are those first 5 demo songs.

Now if MOrtte can find me a Vinyl Kali Yug Express for under $40 !!!!

I can´t do miracles (i´m not Jesus). Seem to be none for sale in discogs at the moment...

When they pop up on Discogs they run around $80 goddamn!

Been listening to this



and this



and this

I've been trying to find the Kali Yug + More CD promo for yearssssssss.

oh and I"m listening to

i want the blue vinyl 10"

I know.

I was just using this as another excuse to remind everyone that I really want that CD promo.

whoa, hey thanks Mortte:) , it was a cracked rib and there is nothing I can do about it besides take it easy and wrap up. I can finally sleep on that side.

meh, The Idiot is ok. I love Lust for Life.

joy division/post punk inspired? who cares! david bowie did those sounds better though I know he helped Iggy.

well shit at least now you know for sure and i hope no more werd meds from pushers

Get ya rest homey.

guys, I try to get all my rest on sunday. dif no more crazy pain meds anymore. it's beer after work like same old same old, tonight is an extra exception because im wound up and too tired to do anything else besides fuck around on the net. have to pay bills, clean house and take care of family members and arrange my money to calculate for the rest of the week.

Yes, never seen under of that. I don´t think it will be ever cheaper, because it´s only 500 edition.

Yesterdays New Universe
Yesterdays New Universe
2007, This self-titled album by Yesterdays New Universe is really more of a compilation of various incarnations of its members. Confusingly, most of the groups are Otis "Madlib" Jackson, Jr. but now he's got Karriem Riggins and the great Ivan Conti of Azymuth along for the ride as well. And maybe some other players as well. Who knows? Blurred reality and a confusing mythology have always been part of Yesterdays New Quintet's allure and charm. What is clear however is that while YNQ at least started as a solo project, it morphed into some kind of vague collective over the years. Thus the Quintet exploded into an entire Universe introduced here. As a compilation, this collection is incredible. It boils down to this: Madlib loves jazz - all jazz. And so with the freedom of creating as many new ensembles as he wishes, he also grants himself to investigate whatever facet of jazz that he wants to. The freer and more challenging work of the New Jazz Rebels rubs elbows with the more far-out and atmospheric Last Electro-Acoustic Space Jazz & Percussion Ensemble. Jackson Conti's borderline exotica sounds comfortable next to Otis Jackson, Jr. Trio's taut take on Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew." Indeed Madlib along with Riggins and Conti have created something of a survey of modern jazz that has been filtered through lifetimes of turntable spins. It is a truly excellent collection that serves as introduction to the many sides of YNQ and its offshoots old (Sound Directions, Otis Jackson Jr. Trio, Ahmad Miller) and new, as well as introducing those who are interested in many jazz sub-genres from across the globe all while paying close attention to the importance of album sequencing so as never to feel jarring or intimidating. Highly recommended!

A promotional CD from these people: Dakota Combo, of the Dakota Foundation for Jazz Education.

They're high school kids in Minneapolis, but they are phenomenal. Their stuff blew me away at the Iowa City Jazz Festival last weekend.

I read that in Deborah Curtis' biography "Touching from a distance".

But knowing Ian Curtis listened to the Stooges a lot Metallic KO is not improbable either.

Can't stop spinning this.

And this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTC3sU3SUdE

Half Minutemen, half Minor Threat, completely thrilling.

I have keep on listening Punch Line & What makes a man start fires? Just so great albums. Also listened first time in my life Faces & Mott the Hoople few first albums.

Bad Brains - Bad Brains (1982)

Wish I could dive into the jazz thread, but lately I've felt the need to get my no-bullshit in-your-face rock on. Everything else sounds like they're sort of kidding.

If I'm not mistaken, right now Ian and Deborah's house is getting turned into a museum for Joy Division "fans". Imagine the tour guide: "Here used to be the turntable where he spinned Iggy Pop's The Idiot for the last time. Over here there was the TV in which he watched a German film about a musician who goes to the United States and kills himself. And if you turn around and look to the kitchen, there's the washing line he hung himself from. I hope you have all had a jolly good time!"

I'm all for preserving history, but I'm with Barnie on this one: this is some seriously morbid wretched shit.

In August 2011, this torrent was posted to Dime:


BANNED: "The uploader wishes to honor Peter Hook's request to pull this torrent."


In October 2013, this one showed up:


BANNED: "We have strong evidence to believe that the band, who as a rule are taper- and trader-friendly, do not want this particular show to circulate. It's strong enough that we'll need to ban the torrent while we investigate.

If it turns out to be OK for DIME to track this show, we'll lift the ban from this torrent. Do NOT post another torrent of this show."

Not going to go there ever.

I love this live EP. covers of Wire, Blue Oyster Cult, The Butthole Surfers, and Public Enemy. I love how Mike Watt says "...phisticated"

Ashrae Fax. I can't get enough of this amazing sounding band. Luckily all of their material is on YouTube. America is an absolute hotbed of astonishing musical talent.

Great record! Jim~san wa zuuugooiiii desuuuuyo~

See? See? I knew it. I knew this would happen.

OLD THEORY: In the future, band names will become sub-genres.

The future's here.

Ashrae Fax isn't rock or pop, or neo- or post- anything. They are "cocteau twins." What sort of music do they play? They play cocteau twins. Not covers, mind you. That would be "They play Cocteau Twins."

Pack it up, goodbye, farewell. It was a good run, but it's all over.

But... that's not what he said. He just said they were amazing sounding. I'm confused....


Also, don't you think band names have acted as descriptive verbs for a while now? Like, around the time of High Fidelity maybe... Haven't we been hearing that kind of language for a while?

"Hey, have you heard Interpol?"
"No"
"They're kind of a poppy Joy Division meets Strokes kind of band that everyone will get really excited about for exactly one year, only to be completely forgotten and cast aside like used underwear to make room for the Killers."
"Who are the Killers?"
"Ohhh you'll know soon enough. For now enjoy not having any idea. You will remember these as the good times"


Know what I mean?

This has been a hell of a year for footwork.

Yes, he/she didn't write, "Check out this revolutionary new band." I'm just responding to the not-even-trying of it all. Did you check them out?


Resembling different bands is comparatively groundbreaking. Interpol sounds a bit like Joy Division, but no one confuses the two.

I'm dissing bands who sound like they started as a cover band, then said, "Why not change a chord or two and call it an original?" Maybe I'm also responding to the youtube comments. My bad, I suppose. "They sound like Cocteau Twins. Cool!" When has a lack of imagination ever been cool?

I'm not even saying they're bad. A derivative band might actually end up with better songs than the original. But it's so boring when I hear a band and can tell you exactly what's in their record collection. This happens too often for comfort. Instead of taking inspiration from a period or a movement, I hear a lot of bands that focus on ONE predecessor and run with it. Into a brick wall, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, I'm totally on board with what you're saying here. Yes, I too am extremely bored by new bands that sound so much like the bands they're trying to emulate that there is no defensible reason for their existence. If a band sounds so much like another band that their defining characteristic is how much they sound like that band, then why would anyone give a flying fuck?

I love Wire, right? Like, I really love them, and believe them to be one of the few bands that have achieved absolute musical perfection from within the walls of punk, which they more or less tore down in the process.

But if a band came around and sounded exactly like Wire at their best, it's not like I'd automatically love them. In fact, I'd probably loathe them for scraping 30 year old shit off Wire's boots and selling it as something NEW. Also, since Wire already did Wire perfectly, who the fuck needs a carbon copy?

So I'm with you on that: I guess I just thought you were talking about bands being used more than actual sub-genres or musical terms to describe a sound.

But I think I may have missed something about your original point, so... Y'know. Sorry about that.

But yeah, I prefer musicians who have roots in multiple genres. One of the things I love most about Sonic Youth is that you NEVER hear anyone saying "this band sounds like Sonic Youth!" Of course this is because SY is more of a collage of moods and sounds, and much less of a mix of genres. Their influences are clear, but not because of a similarity in sound.

I'm rambling. Ramblin' man.

I heard ppl describe Unwound as like SY back in the day.

Hole - Celebrity Skin

I like this, even if it doesn't amount to much more than a slightly angry Bangles album.

This sounds like SY:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_FaFegnxw

But this was before SY started to make same kind of stuff. I don´t think there has born very much original music after seventies in rock/pop (yes, synth stuff in eighties, but I don´t find that very great). Even Sy owes much to the Velvet/13th Floor Elevators/Stooges/Red Crayola/Wipers. But they have made own very personal mix of the styles made before. And so has made many others.

Hell, I've said that, or something close to it, many times over the years. But when I talk about Unwound being similar to SY, I don't exactly mean that they sound like them, but rather that they achieved a sort of Sonic Youth-esque blend of genres and moods...

Unwound is more immediate than SY, even on their most experimental work. But I think they straddled the space between hardcore and "art-core" (for lack of a more fun word) just as SY did, and that in the end their music is probably more influenced by Sonic Youth's BMR-DDN run than anything else.

Really, they're still an entirely different animal... But the influence is there and they came closer to "Next Sonic Youth" status than anyone else I can think of.

Does this mean you took my advice and listened to some Wipers records?

Ashrae Fax sound original in a contemporary way. There are influences in their sound like 80's UK synthpop but with a dark, gothic twist. On some tracks they sound a bit like Grace Jones, though that's more to do with the brilliant and beautiful singing talents of Renee Mendoza. I love their sweeping change in tempo on most of their songs. Very dramatic. I hope they record new material.