Actually, my complexion can get a little dark in the sunny months, even using sunscreen.

i never took you for an albino!




here's the one that gets me every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvz8jtZ3f5s

i should think about what to listen today. will check out those lnks you posted yesterday.

YES! Really the greatest Crimson-song! Red & In the court are my fav albums.

"I Talk to the Wind" - King C

Wow. How is this prog rock? Anyway, it's gorgeous.

EDIT: Ha! Yes's entire CLOSE TO THE EDGE album popped up next.

okay, so i gave this a first listen. i can hear some of what you say but i also see & hear some horrible things.

first, truly bruford is fantastic, but he's on one of those weird plastic drumsets yes? still very good.

then, i think steve howe was great in the guitar (most of the time)

problems: too many. i'll try to be kind.

first, there were some horrible-sounding keyboards. don't know who was guilty because there were 20 fingers playing them. sounded a mess.

second, jon anderson's voice completely shot. shrill. that sort of pitch requires young flesh to sound like a full voice and not a whistle. and it was hard to unsee him dancing around on stage and doing interpretive dance to his lyrics. really ouch.

third-- i couldn't hear the bass! not in the great place that it always had. it was buried. what is yes without chris squire's bass leading.

fourth-- the guitar noodler in black. who is he? he plays a solo after steve howe. yes, he moves his fingers fast and al but that music is completely pedestrian. this was not what yes was about. it's more like hair bands.

fifth- howe's solo not quite on this one. he played great otherwise but his solo.. it was like he was trying to jump a fence but had to climb it instead (sorry for the metaphors)

so what i end up getting is this whole mess where i agree there are some great parts, but the whole is LESS than the sum of the parts.

and this is what hurts me about listening to old bands trying to recapture the past--all kinds of old bands, not just this one. the past can't be recaptured. the time is gone and instead of letting it go they keep going after and looking more desperate. what was done then was done then. and it should be left to stand.

so it was great to hear bruford with his plastic drums but it made me sad to watch this video. not trying to be cynical or anything! it was just... i don't know. it was like watching modern egyptians trying to build the pyramids with legos. or something.

Yeah, I figured one had to concentrate and absorb it before it made sense in the background. If that's a requirement, there's a bunch of classical that I want to get to first.

it's really a different sort of energy-- although beethoven had more rocknroll than most

Fibre Book Troll - The Fall

"I get strawberries off a person
I want a fucking Facebook troll..."

funny basterd

Oh, man, you just recommended one of my absolute favorite albums of all time, period, and you did it by just posting a freaking link!!!

That's WAY worse than posting an album cover without including any identifying information... Well, I guess it's not worse, because if you want to know what it is, you just click the link, while the unidentified cover art thing can be pretty frustrating if you want to know what the album is and don't know how to us Google images or any of the other countless identification services out there....

But still, it's kinda weird, 'cause you hate it when people just post the artwork (usually to some bizarre electronic import, or super-eusive underground punk record that inevitably has awesome artwork).

Blah, blah... Bottom line: when talking about American Don, it's should be a freaking commandment that you include that awesome, iconic cover image!!

Ya hear?

you like prog rock

I understand you in some parts and some parts not.

First, Keyboard players are Rick Wakeman and Tony Kaye. I think the most quilty is Wakeman, because according to Yes-book I read some time ago Tony Kaye really didn´t play that time. He had lost his skills. I agree about that I rather also heard Hammond than those modern keyboards. But they don´t sound me as bad as you. Rick Wakeman has always wanted to do everything with the most modern keyboards. I think he was his best with Hammond, moog, mellotron etc.

Second, I think Jon Anderson had problems with his voice in that concert. He had sung lot better some other, newer lives. I think you haven´t seen Yes live before, because I think that´s the way he acts always in live. Just because he´s Jon Anderson with his spiritual new age life. In the seventies he got strong spiritual awakening, I think it was the time when they made Topographic. So in the concerts in that time he also wanted to tell the audience about his wakening and others were little embarrassed. Also he would have wanted to make Topographic in the country and the whole band would have slept outside. Others don´t want that, so manager made a little joke and bring to the studio cardboard cows and haystacks. There are lots of Spinal Tap in Yes, I think it´s also just great!

Third, I hear the bass, so maybe it´s about your equipments? Of course it´s not as top as for example studio version.

Fourth, the other guitarist is Trevor Rabin, the one who came into Yes in 90125. The one who has composed Owner of the Lonely Heart. I agree with you that his solo is more the show of skills. And also little bit long.

Fifth, I don´t hear anything wrong in Howe´s solos.

The reason why I think this is the best version is those strong drums. All the versions I have heard are quite great. Some reason I have never liked Yessongs version a lot, I think the main reason is White´s drumplaying. I think the studio version is the best, just for that reason there are those great hammonds.

I understand your opinion about old bands, but I think Yes is not one of those. Yeah, they play mostly the old songs, but I think they play them great way. Yes music is timeless, that Union live version doesn´t sound me something from the past that has already gone. They always play some songs from their recent albums, but I think people want to hear those old classics. So do I, if I someday will see them.

because some of the roots of prog rock are actually in folk/pastoral shit as much as psychedelic

and you like folk shit

you prolly wanna listen to early genesis then-- not their first beegees-sounding one but the nextses... whatsiscalled... hm... trespass, nursery cryme, foxtrot

ps- if you don't like close to the edge, knowing your folk preferences, maybe listen to the first 2 yes albums-- yes (not "the yes album"---confusing, i know), and then "time and a word"

There are lots of same kind of beautiful songs that is called prog rock. Specially in the beginning of seventies. For example Genesis, Jehtro Tull, Family, Wigwam, Traffic has made them.

Here are few other Crimson ballads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpZqSg6U53E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUQ6aRwFGRs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49V1E3LNBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxcir4Hfjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TYpQGt6Dwc

Here´s one great genesis ballad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAlzkC0KdVA

Talking about lyrics I think Peter Gabriel made quite good lyrics, one of the best in progbands.

eta (@ evollove) and since you're a gringo anglophile, try SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND

i never understood the lyrics (you might) but i always liked the music-- very "quiet"

-Damn you guys are good. I was going to ask about Genesis. I always enjoyed "I Know What I Like" and the title track to Lamb, but that's all I know. Seems like they have a sense of humor at least.

-These King ballads are great, but they can also do something so fucking heavy like 21st Century Skitz Man? I might end up really liking this band.

just remember to listen to whole albums. this was the golden era of the concept album and there's often a theme or thread to the whole thing. genesis particularly had "stories" going on, i understand.

plus, there will be buried gems that you'll never ever hear among classic rock radio "hits" from hell.

ps- you realize before phil collins became a cheesy pop icon he was actually a damn good drummer?

Here are also some "murder" stuff of King Crimson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMd4GnjYQg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXbaxtQuzzs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4Aw_ECa44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=css7sfgRTns

It is most definitely prog. To be sure, it's prog as viewed through the bespectacled eyes of hardcore and post-punk, but still... prog it is.

Is Don Caballero II prog? Eh.. no. Is For Respect prog? hrmememrrrmm.... no. What about What Burns Never Returns? At times, possibly. How about Singles Breaking Up? A-fuck no, plays more like a hardcore punk album played by a bunch of ultra proficient Thrash nerds.

But American Don was most definitely progged the fuck out.

I really wish they'd retired the Don Cab name after releasing it, though.

of course it is. sounds like rush, and rush (sucky as they were in many ways) were one of the last gasps of prog before it was chucked out of the window by punk.

the ONLY reason people say "math" and "mathy" is because they're ashamed to say prog. it's just fucking hipster posturing. but it is what it is.

look, punk couldn't last forever. the ramones did something great but they were also very fucking boring because all the songs sounded the same. after punk, people wanted to play music again. more than 2 chords. but hey, they just had been making fun of this complex shit you couldn't dance to! so, they waited, then cleaned up the excesses and threw out the elves and the costumes and the hippie hair and called it "math".

math is... prog by gen-xers

enjoy your sons-of-rush album dude.

i'm going to go listen to some prog-punk deerhoof now.

Rush is to me only band I like that could call neoprog. All that other stuff sucks (always hated for example Dream Theater). Prog is so large scale of different bands. The direction I love the most is just that melodic direction that was in the end of sixties and the begin of seventies. I think mellotron is the instrument from god!

I could call Minutemen and Nomeansno punkprog. They got punkattitude but songs structures from prog. But can you call Captain Beefheart & Frank Zappa prog? Never done it, but I think you can.

I am not also the biggest Ramones fan, but like Motörhead, something glamorous they have. It´s the "we invent a wheel, why do it again?"

few more beautiful pieces from the 60/70:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBt6x3Kw_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAfyOYBBg9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oH3DK9scw

Man, come on. So you're saying that the bands that influenced Don Cab, like Scratch Acid, Squirrel Bait, Slint, Bitch Magnet, Unwound, Gastr Del Sol, Fugazi... these were all just plain prog bands? Prog bands that happened to be on KRS and Touch and Go and Drag City?

Nah. I disagree. These were punk bands who wanted to fuck with time signatures and play more intensely and inventively aggressive music. I've heard plenty of Rush and Styx, and I've heard some Yes, and Genesis, and I have never heard any of those bands play in a way that bore anything beyond a passing resemblanc to the Math Rock.

If you were to say that "post-Rock" was more or less just prog for punks, I'd say that was fair. But even with groups like Gybe and ASMZ, fly pan am and Do Make Say Think and Explosions in the Sky, the source material was still post-punk. For Yes, the source material was "rock" mixed with fucking madrigals, Celtic folk, jazz fusion, musical theatre and a bunch of other styles that are totally absent from the post-punk and drone of "post-rock."

I have respect for Yes and Genesis despite all the embarrassing crap they did, and the entire Phil Collins era. But don't bring Rush into this man. Rush turned into fucking Air Supply in the '80s. Just awful lite-rock big synth brick droppers.

At least separate the decent/not 100% embarrassing prog from the very shit that punk and post-punk were born to obliterate. I will not stand for Don Cab and Rodan and June of 44 being called prog. No sir, I don't like it.


...
Now Tortoise... Tortoise was prog. Their first two records are among my favorite albums of all time, and "Djed" is probably one of the best songs I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. But... there's no denying their progness.

ew, styx. fucking gross.

lissen, man, i'm having some gin & tonics so i can't read this.

don't overthink it.

prog is not a style or a genre-- it's a force.

it's the force that wants to make things rich & complex & interesting.

that's it. that's that.

music is an orgy. there are no condoms.

now get a fucking drink yourself. you think too much. i do that monday through friday. it's sunday. i'm off the clock. ha ha.

but in no respect he plays just like neal peart.

or you're deaf.

Remember when We Can't Dance came out? That video for "No Son of Mine"? What a godawful fate for a band that once made some damned interesting music. Irritating bald guys dancing on Vh1, looking like the dictionary definition of "lame"...

I've always enjoyed Peter Gabriel, and had a great deal of respect for him. I'd like to expose myself to more of the original Genesis material, but.... I'm just a scared little punk-type-stuff guy.

for all that you talk & talk you need to listen equally

go & read what i wrote about phil collins a page back

fucks sakes

can't stay & argue. madame !@#$%! is back home & it's a party.



tomorrow we eat fresh carnitas

I agree. Prog is really not anything sad, it´s just too many people who has put that stample on it.

And punk can be sad also, just watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6_45SdPsxQ

About Genesis, I don´t think We can´t dance is the worst album ever (of course it´s really not the best Genesis album). I really like also Jesus He Knows me-vid. Of course DK did same "message in song" years ago, but anyway I think it was brave thing to do with the band like that. I think there were many religius people who were mad to them that time. To me lowest Genesis song is Invisible Touch, not hate even that anymore as much I used to.

And Rush...well I don´t also like a lot their after Signals albums (power Windows is ok, have also Presto on cassette) but Rush is not also worst music in the world.

It always swung, but it was codified into a specific beat and called Swing music. Then the bebop folks said FUCK THAT SHIT and went OFF. Then Brubeck said I am gonna nerd this Jazz up with 13/15 time signatures and get a drummer that plays so complex he confuses the lame-o's

I see. And then sampling came along and drummers had to get a real job? (kidding--drummers are great)

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Listened to most of LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY while taking a long walk yesterday. Long album, but relatively short tracks. Lots to like: no endless synth solos, really good vocalist with really good lyrics, catchy tunes, a nice variety of instruments. I'm going to go ahead and call this "prog-pop." Sue me.

Phil Collins' existence is really a problem, though. I just pretend he hated every minute of it, was only in it for the money, and secretly hated all the arty ideas surrounding him.

As you might know, you´re wrong. According to Genesis document I just watched he really enjoyed to join the group (he came to Nursery Cryme). At first he was really wondering the atmosphere of the band, because he has always been open minded and others not (somebody just went away with banging doors in some rehearsals without any seeing arguments of anybody), but he get used to it soon. He really didn´t want to start to be vocalist after Gabriel, but others demand it. I have always liked his drumming, vocals are ok. As you can notice, also Genesis have had a lots of Spinal Tap.

Lamb Lies was my first whole Genesis album. Really didn´t understand the whole thing at first, but many listenings started to love it. Albums from Foxtrot to Lamb Lies are my favourites, hard to say which of them is the best (really also love their Live-album, I think it´s the only prog-live album that time only one album long). And yes, I think prog-pop is correct term with Genesis. Even they have album oneside song "Suppers ready", it also has a lot of pop elements.

it's not progressive-- it's regressive

devolution is REAL!


ugh! vomit....

why sue you? see if you can give a free listen to genesis' first album. it's hilariously a lot like the beegees with heavy beatles influence. you can see where they came from.

gabriel split off to do solo work eventually collaborate with laurie anderson and later release some rather brilliant pop hits as well-- with amazing videos. and later the soundtrack to last temptation of christ, etc. i mean i haven't followed the guy's solo career much but while he never shied away from pop success it was always by adding something interesting or collaborating with other good artists.

anyway, here's a funny read for you:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/mus...cent-gallo-yes

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anyway, listening right now to...


palestrina's MISSA PAPAE MARCELLI

the cat appears to like it

Coil - Horse Rotorvator

My first coil album. For the first few listens I didn't like it at all. Still not sure if I do now but I've been listening to it a lot and bits of it are starting to sink in. It isn't what I was expecting but then I'm not really sure what I was expecting. Is this a typical Coil album or have they radically changed their sound at different times? I wonder if I've got the 'wrong' album as an introduction to them.

Rob inspired me. Minor Threat: the ultimate anti-prog.


Damn. I really don't like Phil Collins. If it's true bad art is made by bad people, he must be molesting a child at this very moment.

Mortte, have you heard Pentangle - Basket of Light (1969)? If not, let me know if gives you an erection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2cBT8--7tA


Think I'll stick with Marty, Spike and Woody when it comes to music, as well.

i was not endorsing that, or gallo! i just thought it was a funny article. e.g.:

Every time I play Tales from Topographic Oceans, I have to laugh at myself and ask: "Am I really listening to Yes?" The band were a joke back in 1977, associated with creepy basement dwellers who read fantasy novels while watching VHS tapes of Rick Emerson stabbing his keyboard with Nazi daggers.

This gives me an erection, or at least I really could watch her singing all day long if it was still possible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyzh...D4BD39AAA6E1EB

I have read about Pentagle, going to listen that album.

And a few words about Phil Collins, I don´t believe he´s the one who did lot in Genesis that time. Even they have said it was group work, I think the most creative forces were Peter Gabriel & Tony Banks. This was one of the first Collins songs to Genesis and I don´t have to say it anything more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCeEGNbM-U

About Gabriel solos, yes he´s made a lot better solo career than for example Collins. But still I think even he´s hadn´t been as great as his own as with Genesis. But anyway Genesis direction started to go worse right after Gabriel left (Trick Of the Tail is good album but not really even near of Lamb).

Yes, Basket Of Life is great album! Here´s one more, beautiful album with beautiful voice lady (specially at the Harbour is just amazing!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu1GuGXGvyE

Listening this also first time my life even I´ve known it´s existence. Damn, two more albums of my long list albums I should buy someday! Renaissance is more symphonic prog than Pentangle or Fairport Convention, but there are also folk elements. Really not sound Yes to me at all, more Procol Harum. Any other Procol fans here?

'Horse Rotorvator' is a Coil classic!

"The Anal Staircase" is probably the best opening track to any Coil album, spawning this EP

For my money, John Balance's voice sounds the best on this release. The album is also full of oddities that grow on you with every listen.

Scatology and Loves Secret Domain (LSD) are probably the other two most popular Coil proper releases......How To Destroy Angels and The Unreleased Themes From Hellraiser are both instrumental albums that are not to be skipped!

You're correct in assuming that Coil has changed it's direction over time......and in my opinion, 'Horse Rotorvator' is a great place to start.

Dead Air Fresheners - The Colour Out of Space 10/13/14