Originally Posted by knox

It's just what I predicted, isn't it? Even if you face the facts you'll find a way to tell yourself they're not there and ridicule everything that you cannot explain. But it's ok, it's a natural reaction. That's what I meant it sometimes requires the same blind willpower that religious fanatics have. Possibilities are possibilities, scientific thinking implies you'd have to consider them. If you can't prove or disproof something, then it just can't be considered a fact, you don't know.

There are lots and lots of things science cannot explain YET. There are other things it might be wrong about, like it has been in the past. There are certain schools of science that could even begin to formulate some theories to explain certain things - quantum psychics perhaps.

Another widely accepted theory that could relate to the subject is Jung's:

My thesis then, is as follows: in addition to our immediate consciousness, which is of a thoroughly personal nature and which we believe to be the only empirical psyche (even if we tack on the personal unconscious as an appendix), there exists a second psychic system of a collective, universal, and impersonal nature which is identical in all individuals. This collective unconscious does not develop individually but is inherited. It consists of pre-existent forms, the archetypes, which can only become conscious secondarily and which give definite form to certain psychic contents.

But of course, that one be one interpretation of it.

Once again:
Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable

You gotta remember the UNKNOWN or UNKNOWABLE part. There is no certainty implied.

Agnostic atheismAgnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.

Originally Posted by knox

that you behave like a vulture always looking for or creating an opportunity to attack me in any way and you seem so very excited about it every time? And then you send me private messages saying it's not serious, it's just a discussion and you don't mean to insult me and you respect me or whatever?

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

the other thing i find interesting about ghosts is that even though people no longer claim to see sea monsters, or dragons, or werewolves, or dog heads, etc. there hasn't been a comparable decline in ghost sightings

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

See, this is what I said before. Not only are you saying that you don't believe in ghosts, but also anyone does is lying not only to themselves but to everyone and therefore are detrimental (sp?) to society, so they should change their ways. You're PREACHING, which you claim to say you're against.

You're open-minded about pot being legalized, so why can't you be open to the idea that there are things that exist in this world that defy simple explanation? Or at the very least quit calling people stupid liars for believeing in things that can't yet be proven?

Originally Posted by hevusa

Since Knox is quoting Einstein now

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. - Einstein

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

See, this is what I said before. Not only are you saying that you don't believe in ghosts, but also anyone does is lying not only to themselves but to everyone and therefore are detrimental (sp?) to society, so they should change their ways. You're PREACHING, which you claim to say you're against.

You're open-minded about pot being legalized, so why can't you be open to the idea that there are things that exist in this world that defy simple explanation? Or at the very least quit calling people stupid liars for believeing in things that can't yet be proven?

Originally Posted by knox

Yes, PICTURES of things that have no matter. Yeah I'll upload my collection on youtube. You realise that sounds even MORE insane than claiming to see ghosts? It's like asking people with synesthesia to make youtubes of the colors they see with sounds.

Have you noticed, Ann Ashtray, that you behave like a vulture always looking for or creating an opportunity to attack me in any way and you seem so very excited about it every time? And then you send me private messages saying it's not serious, it's just a discussion and you don't mean to insult me and you respect me or whatever? And that makes you seem pretty creepy?

I'm very sorry to disappoint you but it's a thread about ghosts, not about Knox. I know that doesn't interest you as much, but you must respect it.

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss

Is this to say you haven't thought of the idea that not every ghost sighting has been reported? Some people may see a ghost but not tell anyone for fear of being dismissed or ridiculed. And even then, there may be insistances in which someone has seen a ghost and tells others but it never reaches an "official" documenter. Statistics don't always tell the whole story.

Originally Posted by hevusa

For Knox:

Also Not Real-
Werewolfs
Zombies
The Sandman
Witches
Goblins

I'm only agnostic in regards to the concept of an omnipresent God. Not fucking ghosts or smurfs.

Shit....


For Knox: Also not real-
Smurfs

Originally Posted by ann ashtray

YOU JUST FAIL TO CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE!

:)